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		<title>Comment on Testimonial #18 by Mark</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/testimonial/testimonial-18/#comment-577</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/testimonial/testimonial-18/#comment-577</guid>
		<description>I remember one time reading about a 20-year old soldier in uniform (just returned home from war) who was arrested just because he was holding a beer.

It's incredibly hypocritical to say that a 50 year old alcoholic can buy alcohol because he is old enough (read: mature enough), but a 20-year old graduate student cannot because he is too immature.

Don't forget that Rosa Parks was jailed too. Just because it's a law doesn't make it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember one time reading about a 20-year old soldier in uniform (just returned home from war) who was arrested just because he was holding a beer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredibly hypocritical to say that a 50 year old alcoholic can buy alcohol because he is old enough (read: mature enough), but a 20-year old graduate student cannot because he is too immature.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that Rosa Parks was jailed too. Just because it&#8217;s a law doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scare Tactics Used to Prevent Drunk Driving by Mark</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/scare-tactics-used-to-prevent-drunk-driving/#comment-574</link>
		<author>Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/scare-tactics-used-to-prevent-drunk-driving/#comment-574</guid>
		<description>In some jurisdictions, making a false statement like this is a criminal offense similar to perjury.

If I were the parent of one of these students, I would immediately enroll my child in a private school. Then, I would sue the city and the school district for causing emotional distress by knowingly making false statements. 

What were they thinking when they did this? What if one of the students was so distressed over it that they committed suicide? I'm sure they didn't consult any psychological experts beforehand on the effects of their little 'experiment'.

This could never be done to a group of adults without causing national public outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some jurisdictions, making a false statement like this is a criminal offense similar to perjury.</p>
<p>If I were the parent of one of these students, I would immediately enroll my child in a private school. Then, I would sue the city and the school district for causing emotional distress by knowingly making false statements. </p>
<p>What were they thinking when they did this? What if one of the students was so distressed over it that they committed suicide? I&#8217;m sure they didn&#8217;t consult any psychological experts beforehand on the effects of their little &#8216;experiment&#8217;.</p>
<p>This could never be done to a group of adults without causing national public outrage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on [CR] and the National Conference of State Liquor Administrators by Michael Burmeister</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/non-college/cr-and-the-national-conference-of-state-liquor-administrators/#comment-494</link>
		<author>Michael Burmeister</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/non-college/cr-and-the-national-conference-of-state-liquor-administrators/#comment-494</guid>
		<description>The ABC video was fairly one-sided in favor of MADD and staying at 21.  At least Fox News attempted to be neutral by actually telling both sides.

We should penalize adult individuals based upon their actions with alcohol, not on their age.  There is no reason why a competent and mature 19 year old should be denied alcohol for the sole reason being because he is 19.  Meanwhile we can serve pregnant women, convicted drunk drivers, and alcoholics so long as they are over 21.  It doesn't make sense and it's taking the completely  wrong approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ABC video was fairly one-sided in favor of MADD and staying at 21.  At least Fox News attempted to be neutral by actually telling both sides.</p>
<p>We should penalize adult individuals based upon their actions with alcohol, not on their age.  There is no reason why a competent and mature 19 year old should be denied alcohol for the sole reason being because he is 19.  Meanwhile we can serve pregnant women, convicted drunk drivers, and alcoholics so long as they are over 21.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense and it&#8217;s taking the completely  wrong approach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Study:  Kids Receiving Alcohol from Parents and Other Adults by Sheila Joyce Gibbs</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/study-kids-receiving-alcohol-from-parents-and-other-adults/#comment-449</link>
		<author>Sheila Joyce Gibbs</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/study-kids-receiving-alcohol-from-parents-and-other-adults/#comment-449</guid>
		<description>Just came upon your article, and would like very much, to share my true story, of how my late husband and I basically, allowed Alcohol to destroy our health completely.
Please let me know if possible.
Many thanks.

Sheila
ph. no. 250-995-1643</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came upon your article, and would like very much, to share my true story, of how my late husband and I basically, allowed Alcohol to destroy our health completely.<br />
Please let me know if possible.<br />
Many thanks.</p>
<p>Sheila<br />
ph. no. 250-995-1643</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Should You Drink with Your Kids?&#8221; by Choose Responsibility Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Study: Kids Receiving Alcohol from Parents and Other Adults</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/binge-drinking/should-you-drink-with-your-kids/#comment-436</link>
		<author>Choose Responsibility Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Study: Kids Receiving Alcohol from Parents and Other Adults</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/binge-drinking/should-you-drink-with-your-kids/#comment-436</guid>
		<description>[...] and thus can be considered parental guidance?  A recent Time Magazine article discussed in a June 20th post does an excellent job debating this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and thus can be considered parental guidance?  A recent Time Magazine article discussed in a June 20th post does an excellent job debating this [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reclassify Alcopops by Lew Bryson</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/reclassify-alcopops/#comment-432</link>
		<author>Lew Bryson</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/reclassify-alcopops/#comment-432</guid>
		<description>Make that three of us; this is a disappointing and poorly considered stance that looks disturbingly like a sop thrown to anti-alcohol types. The Federal Trade Commission found no evidence that flavored malt beverages were marketed to underage drinkers. I myself can't see any evidence to support your allegation -- no, your flat &lt;b&gt;statement&lt;/b&gt; -- above that these drinks are "marketed primarily to girls." That's something I'd expect to hear from PIRE or CSPI, not CR. 

ATTTB regs require that these drinks be malt-based to qualify for malt beverage taxation rates; California has chosen to ignore that guidance and tax them as liquor anyway. (Let's leave out the nonsense behind different taxation rates for spirits, wine, and beer: it's all alcohol, after all.) 

When it comes to sweet drinks, what's the difference between one of these drinks and a rum and coke? Boone's Farm? An Irish coffee? All sweet, but no one's singling them out. Why not? 

Please reconsider your position. &lt;i&gt;Arbitrary&lt;/i&gt; restrictions like these are the very worst kind of alcohol law...much like pegging the LDA at 21 instead of 18.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make that three of us; this is a disappointing and poorly considered stance that looks disturbingly like a sop thrown to anti-alcohol types. The Federal Trade Commission found no evidence that flavored malt beverages were marketed to underage drinkers. I myself can&#8217;t see any evidence to support your allegation &#8212; no, your flat <b>statement</b> &#8212; above that these drinks are &#8220;marketed primarily to girls.&#8221; That&#8217;s something I&#8217;d expect to hear from PIRE or CSPI, not CR. </p>
<p>ATTTB regs require that these drinks be malt-based to qualify for malt beverage taxation rates; California has chosen to ignore that guidance and tax them as liquor anyway. (Let&#8217;s leave out the nonsense behind different taxation rates for spirits, wine, and beer: it&#8217;s all alcohol, after all.) </p>
<p>When it comes to sweet drinks, what&#8217;s the difference between one of these drinks and a rum and coke? Boone&#8217;s Farm? An Irish coffee? All sweet, but no one&#8217;s singling them out. Why not? </p>
<p>Please reconsider your position. <i>Arbitrary</i> restrictions like these are the very worst kind of alcohol law&#8230;much like pegging the LDA at 21 instead of 18.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Should the Drinking Age be Lowered?&#8221; Our response by Peter Mastracci</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/cr-news/should-the-drinking-age-be-lowered-our-response/#comment-418</link>
		<author>Peter Mastracci</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/cr-news/should-the-drinking-age-be-lowered-our-response/#comment-418</guid>
		<description>Why does everyone forget about (or altogether ignore) the part of this debate about youth rights?  Cloud himself mentions in his article that "After all, in almost every other legal and cultural respect, you're an adult at 18. You can vote, adopt children, sign up for Iraq or become a commercial pilot at 18," but then drops that part of the argument in favor of the debatable binge drinking and drunk driving statistics.  

One thing that's not debatable is this country's mistreatment and infantalization of its young adults.  At least he had the guts to mention MADD's stronghold (or former stronghold) on the drinking debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everyone forget about (or altogether ignore) the part of this debate about youth rights?  Cloud himself mentions in his article that &#8220;After all, in almost every other legal and cultural respect, you&#8217;re an adult at 18. You can vote, adopt children, sign up for Iraq or become a commercial pilot at 18,&#8221; but then drops that part of the argument in favor of the debatable binge drinking and drunk driving statistics.  </p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s not debatable is this country&#8217;s mistreatment and infantalization of its young adults.  At least he had the guts to mention MADD&#8217;s stronghold (or former stronghold) on the drinking debate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Should the Drinking Age be Lowered?&#8221; Our response by Marshall Guthrie</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/cr-news/should-the-drinking-age-be-lowered-our-response/#comment-404</link>
		<author>Marshall Guthrie</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/cr-news/should-the-drinking-age-be-lowered-our-response/#comment-404</guid>
		<description>Hopefully, you also sent this Time's way?

Good to see the type of coverage this issue is getting.  If America as a whole spent as much time thinking about, and acting on, this issue as we college an university educators do, I think the drop to 18 would be a forgone conclusion.

On top of that, if they could see what we see, the bill would be drafted tomorrow.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, you also sent this Time&#8217;s way?</p>
<p>Good to see the type of coverage this issue is getting.  If America as a whole spent as much time thinking about, and acting on, this issue as we college an university educators do, I think the drop to 18 would be a forgone conclusion.</p>
<p>On top of that, if they could see what we see, the bill would be drafted tomorrow.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lightner Controversy by delta_1981</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/lightner-controversy/#comment-403</link>
		<author>delta_1981</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/uncategorized/lightner-controversy/#comment-403</guid>
		<description>I read choose responsibility. It says about “Should the Drinking Age be Lowered?” Our response. It is very useful for low age people. Thanks for your details for this topic.

Thankyou.

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Alcohol abuse affects millions. This site has a lot of useful information. 

&lt;a href="http://www.alcoholabusecenter.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alcohol Abuse&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read choose responsibility. It says about “Should the Drinking Age be Lowered?” Our response. It is very useful for low age people. Thanks for your details for this topic.</p>
<p>Thankyou.</p>
<p>==========</p>
<p>Alcohol abuse affects millions. This site has a lot of useful information. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.alcoholabusecenter.com" rel="nofollow">Alcohol Abuse</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Educational leaders discuss the drinking age by grace</title>
		<link>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/cr-news/educational-leaders-discuss-the-drinking-age/#comment-401</link>
		<author>grace</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.chooseresponsibility.org/cr-news/educational-leaders-discuss-the-drinking-age/#comment-401</guid>
		<description>From [CR] Director John McCardell

First, Mr. Kent states that “between 1983 and 1989, where there was an immense drop in fatalities, the only two age groups that dropped were 16-20 year olds and 21-25 year olds.”  That assertion is false.  According to Hingson and Winter (2003), between 1983 and 1989 alcohol-related traffic fatalities dropped in every age group except age 30-45.  Indeed, alcohol-related fatalities in the 16-20 age group went UP significantly between 1985 and 1986.

Second, Mr. Kent agrees that half the studies undertaken show a positive relationship between the higher drinking age and the decline in alcohol-related traffic fatalities and half do not.  He is also correct that the other half show no relationship whatsoever.  And that is precisely the point:  that half of the peer-reviewed studies show no relationship between the two variables.  This is not a case of “four decades of scholarship weighing against no scholarship;”  it is a case of four decades of scholarship reaching an inconclusive position on the cause-and-effect relationship between law and fatalities.  To suggest otherwise is to … well, … mislead?

Finally, Mr. Kent misunderstands the point about alcohol-related fatalities off the highways in the 18-24 age group.   We agree with him that “to look at a ‘scary’ number like a thousand lives and to provide no context for it is either intellectually laziness or dishonesty.” To our knowledge, before the Hingson et al studies which were published in 2001 and 2005 but based on data collected between 1998 and 2001, there had been no study, never mind recording, of non-highway, alcohol-related accidental deaths (perhaps Mr. Kent could direct us to his source for 1800 such deaths in 1980).  According to the  two studies by Hingson and colleagues, the number of such fatalities has been going up at an alarming rate and now stands well above 1,000 per year.  The most generous estimates of lives saved annually, in all age groups, by Legal Age 21, is 1,000, and alcohol-related traffic fatalities reached a 10-year high in 2006.  Highs aren’t reached when the trend is downward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From [CR] Director John McCardell</p>
<p>First, Mr. Kent states that “between 1983 and 1989, where there was an immense drop in fatalities, the only two age groups that dropped were 16-20 year olds and 21-25 year olds.”  That assertion is false.  According to Hingson and Winter (2003), between 1983 and 1989 alcohol-related traffic fatalities dropped in every age group except age 30-45.  Indeed, alcohol-related fatalities in the 16-20 age group went UP significantly between 1985 and 1986.</p>
<p>Second, Mr. Kent agrees that half the studies undertaken show a positive relationship between the higher drinking age and the decline in alcohol-related traffic fatalities and half do not.  He is also correct that the other half show no relationship whatsoever.  And that is precisely the point:  that half of the peer-reviewed studies show no relationship between the two variables.  This is not a case of “four decades of scholarship weighing against no scholarship;”  it is a case of four decades of scholarship reaching an inconclusive position on the cause-and-effect relationship between law and fatalities.  To suggest otherwise is to … well, … mislead?</p>
<p>Finally, Mr. Kent misunderstands the point about alcohol-related fatalities off the highways in the 18-24 age group.   We agree with him that “to look at a ‘scary’ number like a thousand lives and to provide no context for it is either intellectually laziness or dishonesty.” To our knowledge, before the Hingson et al studies which were published in 2001 and 2005 but based on data collected between 1998 and 2001, there had been no study, never mind recording, of non-highway, alcohol-related accidental deaths (perhaps Mr. Kent could direct us to his source for 1800 such deaths in 1980).  According to the  two studies by Hingson and colleagues, the number of such fatalities has been going up at an alarming rate and now stands well above 1,000 per year.  The most generous estimates of lives saved annually, in all age groups, by Legal Age 21, is 1,000, and alcohol-related traffic fatalities reached a 10-year high in 2006.  Highs aren’t reached when the trend is downward.</p>
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